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Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz
The Books and Bagels Book Discussion group members rated the book between a 3.5 and 5.0 with one member giving the book a 2.5. The average of the ratings was 3.79.
The Morning Book Break Book Discussion group rated the book between a 3.0 and 5.0. The average of the ratings was 4.33.
The novel was 502 pages long, so sadly during the holiday season not all members were able to finish the novel. Some members thought that the book demanded a lot of time and that there were too many characters and the book was too long. The facilitator promised a shorter book for the 2019-2020 book club season.
Many members enjoyed the cozy British mystery compared to the contemporary mystery. Members found that the cozy British mystery reminded them of Agatha Christie and Sherlock Holmes novels. Members definitely would recommend this novel to people who enjoy cozy mysteries written in the vein of Christie. One member, who has read all of Christie’s books, thought Horowitz followed the pattern and pitch of Christie, but Magpie Murders was his own style—she found this very intriguing. One member felt the book in a way offered a tutorial on murder mysteries.
Overall, members who were able to read the novel in bigger chunks seemed to be more satisfied with novel. Members found the book very cleverly written and that it generated good discussion even for members who do not read mysteries. On the whole, members were satisfied with the ending and no one was able to solve the mystery in its entirety.
Two members had read the book previously as it received high recommendations from Book Pages. These members thought the book was a cut above and very cerebral. They thought the book accurately portrayed the English community and that the descriptions of the characters were vivid. One member thought about whether or not the book could have been published as two books. The members resolved her own inquiry, by stating that she believed for the novel to work it need to be published as two mysteries in one book.
Several members were frustrated that Horowitz led them so far afield and indeed, he pulled scenarios out of the bag to throw readers off the track. Nevertheless, Horowitz attempts to calm the reader’s frustration by inserting statements in the novel to encourage the reader to continue. On p. 145 (cozy mystery) Atticus Pund wrote in his masterwork, The Landscape of Criminal Investigation: “One can think of the truth as eine vertiefung—a sort of deep valley which may not be visible from a distance but which will come upon you quite suddenly. There are many ways to arrive there. A line of questioning that turns out to be irrelevant still has the power to bring you nearer to your goal. There are no wasted journeys in the detection a crime.”
Finally, several members who are not fans of mysteries really enjoyed the novel. They enjoyed trying to solve the puzzles and felt this was a great brain exercise.
- In Magpie Murders, Anthony Horowitz gives occasional commentary comparing literary fiction and popular fiction and the artist’s endeavor in a commercial world. The facilitator posed some general questions regarding these topics. The facilitator created these questions to cover the overall questions about why mysteries are so successful in the publishing world.
- Using characters, Anthony Horowitz talks about the public’s need for mysteries. He speaks to the obsession the public has for murder mysteries.
The group was asked to comment on these sections of the book:
p. 70 – Susan Ryeland, editor of Cloverleaf books
“…It’s strange when you think about it. There are hundreds and hundreds of murders in books and television. It would be hard for narrative fiction to survive without them. And yet there are almost none in real life…Why is it that we have such a need for murder mystery and what is it that attracts us—the crime or the solution? Do we have some primal need of bloodshed because our own lives are so safe, so comfortable?”
p. 159 Detective Inspector Richard Locke
“All these murders on TV…Every night…People have some sort of fixation. And what really annoys me is that it’s nothing like the truth…There are only three motives. Sex, anger and money…And you know how we catch them? We don’t ask them clever questions and work out that they don’t have an alibi, that they weren’t actually where they were meant to be. We catch them on CCTV. Half the time, they leave their DNA all over the crime scene. Or they confess. Maybe one day you should publish the truth although I’m telling you, nobody would want to read it.”
The facilitator further responded from the book. On pages 183-184, Susan Ryeland speaks to the power of mysteries.
The group was asked to offer commentary about this statement from the book:
“In a world of full of uncertainties, is it not inherently satisfying to come to the last page with every i dotted and every t crossed? …We are surrounded by tensions and ambiguities, which we spend half our life trying to resolve, and we’ll probably be on our own deathbed when we reach that moment when everything makes sense. Just about every whodunnit provides that pleasure. It is the reason for their existence.”
The facilitator addressed the comments made in Magpie Murders about the value of mysteries.
Andreas, Ancient Greek scholar, debates Susan regarding the literary value of mysteries on pp. 164-165.
Andreas said, “’I read them because you worked on them and obviously I cared about you. But I thought they were crap.’I was shocked. I didn’t know what to say.
‘They made a lot of money.’
‘Cigarettes make a lot of money. Toilet paper makes a lot of money. It doesn’t mean they’re worth anything.’
‘You can’t say that.’
‘Why not? Alan Conway was laughing at you, Susan. He was laughing at everyone. I know about writing. I teach Homer…He knew what those books were—and he knew when he was putting them together. They’re badly written trash!’
‘I don’t agree. They’re very well written. Millions of people enjoyed them.’
‘They’re worth nothing! Eighty thousand words to prove that they butler did it?’
‘You’re just being snobbish.’
‘And you’re defending something that you always knew had no value at all.’”
Then the facilitator asked the group whether mysteries have any lasting value to our society.
Melissa Conway, Alan’s ex-wife talks to Susan about her role in getting Alan to write detective fiction. Melissa loved Alan’s literary work, but it wasn’t getting published. She convinced Alan to write mysteries because he always had a fascination with tricks and trompe l’oeils. Melissa helped him to write his first mystery, Atticus Pund Investigates and as his mysteries became publishing sensations, Alan changed and was no longer fulfilled. Alan hated his main character, the noble, Atticus Pund. Melissa states on page 198, “Of course, it wasn’t as good as his other work. It was lighter and completely pointless, but I thought it was beautifully written…”
The facilitator asked the group if they read mysteries or watch mysteries, if so, why do they enjoy about them.
- The group discussed clues that were hidden in plain sight and how skillful Horowitz was in burying those clues.
- The group discussed at length the many red-herrings Horowitz used to lead the reader astray.
- We discussed how the author ratcheted up the suspense.
- We discussed at what point in the book the members began to unravel the mystery.
- Finally, we discussed the skill necessary to write this novel. We compared and contrasted the Golden Age mystery set in the 1950’s with the Contemporary mystery. We compared the language, tone, style, pace, and typeface used. We discussed the use of character counterparts in each novel. We discussed the significance of the anagram. Also, members stated they would like to know the meaning behind the cover of Magpie Murders.
Anthony Horowitz, the author, cleverly uses two different typefaces to assist the reader in distinguishing between the two mysteries. The Cozy Mystery pages are numbered at the bottom of each page and the Contemporary Mystery pages are numbered at the top of each page.
1) Cozy Mystery set in 1950’s (pp. 3-212 and near very end of entire book—Chapter entitled, A Secret Never to be Told (pp. 217-241))
2) Contemporary Mystery—very beginning of book (pp.1-4) continues in middle of book (pp. 5-232) and epilogue entitled, Agios Nikolaos, Crete (pp. 233-236)
(pages correspond to Regular Type Hardcover copy)
Characters in Cozy Mystery:
Sir Magnus Pye: Lord of Pye Hall
Lady Frances Pye: Magnus’s wife
Jack Dartford: Lady Frances Pye’s lover
Frederick (Freddy) Pye: Magnus and Frances’ son
Clarissa Pye: spinster sister of Magnus and local schoolteacher
Dr. Redwing: Local Doctor
Arthur: Artist husband of Dr. Redwing
Dr. Edgar Rennard: Dr. Redwing’s father who has dementia
Mary Blakiston: housekeeper at Pye Hall
Matthew Blakiston: Mary’s estranged husband
Tom Blakiston: one of Mary and Matthew’s sons
Robert Blakiston: one of Mary and Matthew’s sons
Joy Sanderling: Robert’s fiancé
Neville Brent: groundskeeper at Pye Hall
Diana Weaver: local cleaning lady
Jeffrey Weaver: elderly gravedigger
Rev. Robert Osborne: local vicar
Henrietta Osborne: Vicar’s wife
Johnny and Gemma Whitehead: owners of local antique shop
Arthur Reeve: recently burglarized and medal collection missing
Detective Inspector Raymond Chubb: local policeman
Atticus Pund: Poirot-like character for this mystery
James Fraser: Atticus’s sidekick
Characters in Contemporary Murder Mystery (counterparts from Cozy mystery in parentheses):
Susan Ryeland (Atticus Pund): editor, Cloverleaf books
Andreas Pataks: Susan’s professor boyfriend
Charles Clover (Robert Blakiston): CEO and founder of Cloverleaf books
Jemina Humphries: Charles Clover’s secretary
Alan Conway (Sir Magnus Pye): author of Magpie Murders
Sajid Khan and wife: Alan’s lawyer and friend
Rev. Tom Robeson (Rev. Robin Osborne): local vicar
Mark Redmond (Matthew Blakiston): TV and Film producer of Red Herring Productions/possible developing The Atticus Adventures
John White (Johnny Whitehead): hedgefund manager and Alan’s neighbor
Claire Jenkins (Clarissa Pye): Alan’s sister
James Taylor (James Fraser): Alan’s boyfriend
Melissa Conway (Lady Frances Pye): Alan’s ex-wife
Frederick/Freddy Conway (Frederick/Freddy Pye): Alan and Melissa’s son
Detective Superintendent Richard Locke (Detective Inspector Raymond Chubb): detective who helped Melissa and Alan with research for mystery novels
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